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Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 10:03 am
by V8Norm
V8Norm wrote:Try some of this. It worked for me. Got the idea from Mike the strip.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FP ... UTF8&psc=1

Got rid of 95% of the noise. And I am talking back brakes on the trike!! And I also upgraded the pads like you did. Front and rear.
Remove the pads again and cut a peace to fit, I did drill two holes for the pins. glue it on and hopefully it will work for you.
Good luck
Well........... that did not last long. Back brakes are making noise again. My last trike did it and this on does it. It has to be a bad design. So what is the problem????
Is it the metal on the rotors. Do I need better ones?
Why is it that Boss Hoss has gone much bigger on back brakes and I have these tiny weenie brakes. I took pictures and sent them to Wilwood, told them my problem and asked for a suggestion to my problem. No answer yet.
So if I go bigger calipers do I have enough oil volume to operate larger pistons. Can something in my master be changed to accommodate more volume and less pressure? if needed.
The noise is sooooooo embarrassing, I need help to fix this problem. Any ideas?? thanks :group_hug:

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:57 pm
by Iron Maiden
I had the trike for almost a year with 8,000 miles before this started, so not sure what is causing it to squeel. I have tried the red spray but so far it hasn't worked. Hope we can get a few ideas here.

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:46 pm
by CanuckHoss
Are the brake pads getting glazed??

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 4:57 pm
by Iron Maiden
Brand new platinum pads installed and started squealing almost right away

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 5:17 pm
by SQ4MN
I think you can spray stuff on them, replace them, redesign them, but in the end the squeal returns. Some times they don't make noise for years, sometimes right away. The reason they sell stuff to stop the noise is because its so common even on cars. It reminds me of the belt squeal on a Boss Hoss bike, you fiddle with it long enough and you'll get it to go away----but you put a new tire on it or change the belt tension or its a full moon and the noise might just come back. My Boss bike has no brake squeal, my Boss trike with the LINCOLN disc brakes has no squeal, my V8 Copper never had any on the rear but the front started squealing right after I put new pads in it. Since I don't get embarrassed about stuff like that I just said FUCK IT and could care less. To me its only important that it stops good.

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:01 pm
by Clint44
V8Norm wrote: Well........... that did not last long. Back brakes are making noise again. My last trike did it and this on does it. It has to be a bad design. So what is the problem????
Is it the metal on the rotors. Do I need better ones?
Why is it that Boss Hoss has gone much bigger on back brakes and I have these tiny weenie brakes. I took pictures and sent them to Wilwood, told them my problem and asked for a suggestion to my problem. No answer yet.
So if I go bigger calipers do I have enough oil volume to operate larger pistons. Can something in my master be changed to accommodate more volume and less pressure? if needed.
The noise is sooooooo embarrassing, I need help to fix this problem. Any ideas?? thanks :group_hug:
Do your rear brakes stop your trike ok?

Sounds like the brake pads and rotors aren't compatible. One option is to try some different pad compounds and see if they will help solve the problem. Another option is to try a different pair of quality brake rotors. A lot of rotors are made in China today and their quality control leaves a lot to be desired.

If the rotors or pads are wrong,changing to different calipers is a waste of money.

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:34 pm
by V8Norm
Yes Clint, the brakes stop the bike. could be better but, ok.
I have tried better pads with no luck. I think you maybe correct. The rotors might be bad quality. Any suggestions on better brands. Have a look below, do I have good ones?

I have been very happy with the masters cylinders lately, both have been very very firm. NO pumping at all, for months :thumbup: not even once!!!! Maybe it was the Cialis :hmmmm:

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Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:26 am
by Clint44
Those look like Wilwood rotors and if so,they are probably good quality. If it were me,I would call Wilwood and tell them your problem. They might be able to give you some suggestions on what pad to use.

As Barry mentioned earlier,the noise is most likely a glazed hard compound pad.

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:13 am
by Carl La Fong
I solved the heartbreak and embarrassment of squeeky brakes with this fine product.
It also comes in handy if I give a ride to a fat chick

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:54 am
by mdwdvm
Carl La Fong wrote: It also comes in handy if I give a ride to a fat chick
In that case, who wears the bag??



Question: 'What's similar between a fat woman and a moped??'

Answer: 'They're both fun to ride, but embarrassing as hell when your friends catch you doing it.'

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 2:31 pm
by Buck
mine squeal like heck also and I have about a pound of anti noise grease on the pad backs, it helped some but I still get noise when I am almost at a stop. When you come up w/ a fix give me a holler.
Buck

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:10 pm
by hogv8
Have you tried the steel stick on pad backing plate ?

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:22 pm
by Buck
Question, 'cause I don't know, the squeal comes from vibration between the brake pad back and the piston, in most cases. Does the pad compound have anything to do with the noise? Susan went with the platinum pads, allegedly the best, and still had some noise.
Buck

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:45 pm
by Iron Maiden
I am thinking it is the rotor. I have 8500 miles on the trike and only recently started having the noise issue. I have replaced pads and tried squeel stop so the only thing left is the rotor. Thoughts?? Although, I do like Carl's solution :lol:

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 9:54 am
by V8Norm
Got an answer back for Wilwood........ :dunno:

The 15Q-6824K is our ceramic pad and is quieter as well as less aggressive than the 150-8850K (BP-10).

Please note that squealing can be caused by improperly bedding in the pads when new. Please refer to the link below for the bedding procedure. Also you will want to remove the rotor and clean the rotor face with 80 grit sand paper to remove the old pad material and any glazing.

http://www.wilwood.com/TechTip/TechPadBedTip.aspx


Regards,
Wilwood Disc Brakes

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 7:03 pm
by Iron Maiden
Great information Norm!! :thanks: I did everything but sanding the rotors with 80 grit. Guess what we will be doing this weekend! ;)

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:34 pm
by Butkicker
Napa has a 3" flex able stone to put on a drill at slow speed for dressing rotors works well

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 11:37 pm
by V8Norm
I just finished removing my back brakes and sanding them with 80 grit, I found 5 out of 8 safety wires on the bolts broken. So I fixed them. going on a ride tomorrow with Aldo, I sure (I think) it will be quiet for a while. On the Wilwood site it looks like I have steel rotors. All the better ones are iron (the more expensive ones) but they don't offer an iron in my size. (I can't find one yet!)
Looking forward to a nice quiet ride. :ridding:

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 11:42 pm
by petitemoose
Here is to hoping you have a quiet ride with stopping power :capwin:

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 7:14 am
by Iron Maiden
Cant wait ti hear about your ride- have fun!!! BTW-what safety wires were broken? I don't recall seeing any on my trike?

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 9:27 am
by V8Norm

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 6:02 pm
by V8Norm
Had a great ride today. good lunch, good friends. Awesome day.
When I backed the bike from the garage there was no noise, and that was always the worst noise. Later on in the day some small noise. It's not going to go away. I might need to redesigned this brake system. I will get some more miles on her, then see what happens.
I did have a problem with my speedo, it was running too fast. The wire I used has too much iron in it and the speed censer is on the bolts that need the safety wire. So I screw up, I need to redo the safety wire, with different wire.
That was all that I had. It was last minute!

Re: Squealing back brakes, Again

Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 7:26 pm
by Iron Maiden
Glad to hear you had a nice day!!! Not so glad to hear that you still have some noise but it does sound like you got it better. Who knew a wire could change the speedo ????? Crazy!! :banghead: